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Entertainment Sunday, January 6th 2013 at 1:00 pm

Michael Keaton Talks Batman, Beetlejuice, and the New Robocop on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

WTF with Marc Maron is one of the most popular, and best, podcasts on the Internet. It’s on the radar of most comedy geeks, but Maron interviews people from a few different worlds, including the world of Hollywood. The latest episode features an interview with Michael Keaton, who many forget started as a comic, and the two talked about Batman, Beetlejuice, and Keaton’s role in the upcoming Robocop reboot.

Most episodes of WTF run about an hour, but this one is nearly twice that at one hour and 47 minutes. It makes sense considering Keaton’s  long career. There’s a lot to talk about. As ever, Maron starts off by talking about the early career of whoever he’s interviewing. Depending on how interested you are in hearing about Keaton’s childhood and early work, there’s a lot of good stuff in the first hour, but most of what I’ll call “the good stuff” as far as geeks are concerned, happen in the second half of the interview.

A lot of time is spent talking about Beetlejuice, and how Keaton got involved. He had met with director Tim Burton a few times about playing the title character, but almost walked away because he didn’t understand what the movie, or even the character, was really about. Something Burton said in one of their meetings stuck in Keaton’s mind and kept him interested enough to do it. He doesn’t remember the exact quote, but said it was something like, “He [Beetlejuice] probably lives in all times. He’s from no time. He’s from every time. He lives in every time period.”

Keaton even helped solidify the character, particularly where wardrobe was concerned, from what he said was a pretty nebulous idea. Beetlejuice’s teeth, moldy skin, and hair were all ideas Keaton brought to the table. The two enjoyed working together enough that when Burton was offered Batman, Keaton was the person he approached.

Before the 1989 film version of Batman came out, most people were not as familiar with the character as today. Keaton was no different. He’d heard of Batman, and seen the Adam West television version, but Burton gave him a copy of The Dark Knight Returns and said that was the Batman he wanted to do. It got Keaton’s interest, because The Dark Knight Returns is amazing.

Keaton also talks about why he left after two movies. He claims he wanted to do a movie closer to Batman Begins and deal with the origins of the character, but Joel Schumacher wanted do, well, whatever Batman Forever was supposed to be.

When they got on the subject of the upcoming Robocop reboot, where Keaton plays the character of Raymond Sellars, head of Omnicorp. Keaton says he based the character off industry leaders like Steve Jobs and Richard Branson, and insists he’s not a villain, just someone with an opinion at odds with the hero.

Maron repeatedly refers to Keaton as his favorite Batman, and Keaton’s performance certainly wasn’t the worst thing about the Tim Burton films. It’s been a few years since I’ve watched Batman and Batman Returns, but after listening to Keaton talk about them, I’ll probably go back and check them out this week.

You can listen to the full interview here, and catch new episodes of the show every Monday and Thursday.

(via WTFpod.com, image via The Seven / Seven Corporation)

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Clement/100001278943901 Mike Clement

    I would like to see michael keaton to play batman again.

  • http://geekosystem.com/ Glen Tickle

    Maybe if they ever do a live-action Dark Knight Returns he could come back.

  • joe35

    Still my favorite live-action Batman, without question.

  • http://twitter.com/PauseSaveQuit Roy R

    Best Batmobile Ever.

  • Chris Kevin

    Mike Clement. I agree with you buddy Michael Keaton was the best portrayed Batman in my eyes and to alot of other Michael Keaton fans. The second best Batman was probably, Val Kilmer he resembled Michael Keaton in appearance, but so did Christian Bale who played, Batman in “Batman Begins”, “The Dark Knight”, and “The Dark Knight Rises”. Michael Keaton was in “Batman”, and “Batman Returns” but, was denied opportunities to continue his role as Batman for more sequels. I think Michael Keaton will get another chance upon him doing the “Robocop” reboot film, and returning as the voice of “Ken” in “Toy Story 4″.

  • ninja pizza

    he should be batman in the JLA movie. that would be hella tight. talk about tying together a cinematic universe.

  • CybexAl

    A guy that doesn’t train, mopes about, looks nothing like Batman in costume and is waaay too vertically challenged for the part, Keaton, while being a great actor, never cut it as Batman for me. If you’re a serious fan of the character, you’ll know that Batman’s physicality is an essential part of his ouvre. A superb example of training to beyond athletic capability. None of this is conveyed in the Keaton movies. Nolan and Bale did a better job, but the perfect Bruce Wayne has yet to emerge, methinks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/frank.y.ramirez.353 Frank Yourfunklord Ramirez

    MICHAEL KEATON RULES!!!

  • Demode

    It would be cool if he came back for a 3rd Batman film. That series deserved a proper trilogy. I also wouldn’t mind hearing his voice used in an animated Batman film. Michael Keaton rocks!

  • Tony Castleberry

    Burton’s Batman was a horrible slap in the face to Batman fans.
    Keaton was miscast (Batman should have a chin and at least LOOK like he
    could beat someone up!) but the biggest problem was with the script,
    which was as far from The Dark Knight Returns as one could get. Also
    Burton is lying his ass off if he told Keaton he wanted to do a TDKR
    version of Batman. Go read the interviews he did prior to Batman’s
    release! He was trying to force some seriousness into the movie because
    he was told about ‘Those rabid comic book fans who love TDKR’ but he did
    not read or know anything about the comic books.

    The one flaw of
    comic book-to-film fanboys is that they have no standards at all. They
    will go watch the same intelligence-insulting crappy Hollywood superhero
    movie remade over and over again without realizing or caring that they
    are being fed crap.1989′s Batman, The Crow, Raimi’s Spider-man movies…horrible, poorly scripted and acted garbage.

  • Jeff

    i totally agree.

    they could do a film where batman is older. they can bring back the gothic sets, john williams music, the batmobile.

    i think ppl would dig it

  • Anonymous

    You know, so long as tim burton directs, I’d actually adore seeing the old movie franchise resurrected this way.

    Truthfully, my favorite suggestion on The Dark Knight Returns as a movie idea was having clint eastwood be Bruce Wayne. Old, grizzled, burned out from the flames of his anger raging his whole life, but still smoldering….think of the consequences of living Bruce Wayne’s life, then picture Clint Eastwood.

    But a return to the cowl for keaton’s batman would be a very close second.

    Seems like this would be right up hollywood’s alley too. They love reboots and long overdue sequels.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah! Completely agree. I wasn’t familiar with batman before the Tim Burton features and I can say, one thing I have been perennially disappointed with in the various batman universes is that the batmobile has never been as cool as in those films.

  • Anonymous

    The lack of the art deco meets noir film gothic Gotham city sets Burton brought to the franchise has been the most sorely missed element in every iteration of it since. For Burton, his sets are a character in the movie and Gotham was one of his best. The way that feel was taken for Batman the Animated series really sold it for me and I’ve missed it though I have liked many of the continuing stories of batman told by other actors/artists/animators/etc.

    Only Burton got Gotham right.

  • Anonymous

    I hadn’t considered that…but the more I think about it, the more I like it. Especially if it was used as a vehicle to get keaton and burton back together for a third batman movie BEFORE the JLA.

  • Wade Wilson

    Those Burton Bat-flicks do NOT hold up against the test of time…pretty crap-tastic…Burton’s such a one-trick pony.

  • Wade Wilson

    IDK…Proyas’s Crow was way better then the book…I liked a lot of Joy Division references/lyrics but I felt it was too violence-oriented, and lacked in story telling. Seemed like something O’Barr wrote one afternoon when he was bored.

  • GES

    When Batman was scratching the disc of Penguin…favorite part. 2nd favorite scene..Have you ever danced with the devil under the pale moonlight?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=601725305 Jeff Rittenour

    Keaton was best, Adam West second (even though KC’s animated Batman is tech THE BEST)…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=601725305 Jeff Rittenour

    You’re a slap in the face to humans…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=601725305 Jeff Rittenour

    no doubt – if Burton’s version was so terrible WHY DID EVERY INCARNATION OF BATMAN SINCE RIP IT OFF IN SOME (and most) WAYS? Yeah cuz it was crap…people are so stupid nowadays – they don’t even desrve this batman anymore…keep your loser Bale Batman.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NicholasECalderon89 Nick Calderon

    Best Batman, Tim Burton was sick when he directed those films man they need to do it again and show em how its done coming from the pros, cmon lets show these untalented amateurs how its done

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=768069601 Alec Grimes

    Micheal was the worst bruce Wayne. Short, unattractive, and didn’t do it. In the costume…he was fine. But it was still horrible miscasting

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeremy.r.lemmon Jeremy Lemmon

    LMFAO. Bale and Nolan did a better job????? Wow um hell no. Batman begins was good,the dark knight was amazing,Batman with michael keaton was good. The dark knight rises like batman returns,batman forever and batman and robin was just plain awful. I want to hear what the heck batman is saying not have him sound him he just sucked off the joker. If Man of steel has superman grounded to reality they wont get my money. Ill rent if for a dollar from the library.

  • http://twitter.com/kelexyn Kelly Digh

    I feel like Keaton was great as Bruce Wayne, but his Batman needed to be a lot darker.

  • http://twitter.com/JAVincen john vincen

    John Williams didn’t do the music for Batman. Danny Elfman did.

  • Thistlegeist

    Quite famously, in fact. Still one of my all-time favorite scores.

  • Batchat

    “mopes about”? sorry friend your confusing him with Bale. Keaton was perfect, his Bruce Wayne never weeped and his appearance only empowered his tranformation when he put on the suit. He also handled the voice better than anyone.

  • http://twitter.com/PJ_Lowry P.J. Lowry

    It would be awesome if his Batman was the one they used for the Justice League movie…

  • jestermonkey

    Keaton’s Batman is still the best there is to date. While I liked Bale in the role, I just don’t think he was better than Keaton’s. I have to point out though that if you recall the ’89 film, Batman had been operating in the shadows for quite a long time up until the whole Joker thing. The newspaper reporters showed it best: they all thought he was just a myth accept for when some bad guys would just be found, bound and waiting for lock up. No one saw him long enough to give a description. The ’89 Batman had been doing his thing for a few years when the movie begins it’s just he hasn’t chosen to reveal himself. When the Joker arrives that is when Batman knows he can’t stay in the shadows and fight because this threat is greater than the others. Keaton played a seasoned Batman that is just now being challenged in the public arena. He played Batman as a serious yet mythical man come to life. He didn’t have to display his knowledge of martial arts and for that matter when did Bale display his martial arts other than in BB? Throughout the rest of Nolan’s trilogy he never fights with the same style but uses basic punches and kicks combined with his gadgets in much the same way as Keaton’s Batman. Yeah, Burton’s Batman played it a little corny and cartoony for my tastes but Keaton’s Batman is still the one to beat. The ’89 Batman had already come to grips with his own psychosis and dealt with all the emotional baggage from the past, wherein Bale’s BM was still overcoming personal obstacles. Keaton’s BM was thrown for a loop once he realized that Joker was the one that killed his father but other than that he didn’t need to “find” his way in order to knuckle down and take care of business.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thehopedkid Have Hope

    Unattractive????? I PRAY you are a chick and not a guy

  • Humungous Johnston

    Your flaw, is being a twat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1598884091 Darren Braun

    You’re an idiot. RAIMI’S Spider-Man movies? Have you seen the reboot? Talk about poorly scripted…it’s a generic superhero flick with the name “Spider-Man” attached. Add a Twilight extra in the lead role and change the origin story, you’ve got a knockoff pos. How did they get away with calling it “Spider-Man” I’ll never get.

  • TheKillingWords

    For a majority of your response, I counter that Batman Begins was just what it says: Batman Begins. You say ’89 Batman was already operating for a few years and had his personal stuff under control and that’s fine. Understand that that BB was his origin story: how did he come about, what made him take up the mantle and how did he cope with it. Personally, I loved Keaton as batman but Bale edged him out just a bit more for me. Bale, (with the exception of his Bat voice), brought more depth to Bruce/Batman. You can feel his emotion and can see The Batman actually emerging as the more dominant force in his life, making Bruce Wayne the real mask that he puts on.

  • TheKillingWords

    WEST CAN BURN IN HELLLLL!!!!!

  • jestermonkey2 .

    Your response doesn’t accurately counter my post because you are relying on a different period of Batman’s’ life in reference to Batman Begins. Yes I know that Batman Begins was the origin story and therefore its’ Batman would still be coming to grips with who he is and that for him to be dealing with those issues throughout the first film is all well and good. However by the time TDK and TDKR came out, Batman should have already dealt with the internal struggle. He should have come to grips with it by the end of BB. Looking at it in that light, Bale’s Batman never became comfortable in his role of Batman. The storyline in all three of Nolan’s trilogy was just rewritten and rehashed over and over and spread among all three movies. The Joker was the ONLY redeemable portion of TDK and the only persona that made it interesting to watch. TDKR was completely ludicrous and boring. By the third installment, we should be seeing Batman in all his Bat-glory, battling Bane and his henchmen for most of the film. There wasn’t one part of TDKR where I felt like I was watching a good movie, let alone a good Batman movie. You say Bale brought more depth to Batman, I disagree. Keaton’s Batman was stoic for a reason. As Batman, he remained in complete control of his emotions, keeping his Batman more of a force that you had to deal with rather than a man. Keaton’s Bruce Wayne was dark and brooding, but that was a reflection of his parent’s death, the only thing he kept dealing with psychologically because he had NEVER had closure as far as the killer being brought to justice. We will probably still disagree and that is ok. For me, Keaton’s Batman was more entertaining. I got to see Batman in action more and less Bruce Wayne and his philosophical ideals and/or inner turmoils. Bale did a wonderful job in his portrayal but I found all three movies to be boring. They dragged out when they could have soared by giving us more Batman and less Bruce Wayne. Oh well, just my opinion.

  • Manofsteel

    too old.

  • Lance

    I’d actually agree that Keaton was the best Batman, Nolan’s series is better sure, but Christian Bale is about the 12th best thing about the series. Keaton’s performance was definately a more integral part of his series.

  • Lance

    Eastwood would be more the Batman Beyond era. The Dark Knight Returns Batman is in his late 40′s/early 50′s.

  • Lance

    Eh, in fairness they haven’t been ripping off Burton so much as ripping off Frank Miller…just like Burton did. Keaton admits as much in the above article.

  • JaiGuru

    See, I honestly thought that the recent movie series took pains to avoid Burton’s series. And I totally get why you’d want to do that. Still, if it’s not broke, you know what I mean? That gothic…er…Gotham, is my favorite part of the franchise and I want it back in the worst way. It was like a whole other world.

  • JaiGuru

    I agree with the Burton sentiment a little. But it’s worth mentioning that, at the time of Batman, it wasn’t really cliched yet. And BTAS, which is many people’s favorite incarnation of the Batman universe, owes almost it’s entire theme to Burton’s aesthetics.

  • JaiGuru

    I’ve always felt that Keaton got dealt a crappy script. He was a great guy for the job, but Burton’s films weren’t about Bruce Wayne, and the character was very one dimensional. In fact, I’d go as far as to say it’s the least “Bruce Wayne” any Bruce Wayne has ever been, and that includes Adam West’s adaptation. Nolan’s films were more about Bruce Wayne than Batman, and the character was very well fleshed out. You really got a sense of depth from the character and saw his strengths and weaknesses explored in detail. If we could just have had Keaton with Nolan’s script and Burton’s set pieces…I could die a happy man.

  • Jeda

    And Prince!

  • Knight

    Keaton could be the older Batman as Bale has covered the rest of the younger Batman era of the early period reboot and I think is done with that series unless they continue with Robin or Nightwing.

    He could come back with the 80′s car with a few modern modifications to it and with extra tech to update it but it doesn’t have to be overboard.

    Samething with the Bat jet since the new vehicles and jet’s were compromised or otherwise blown to pieces.

    He doesn’t have to be as comical as his previous version of Batman was, and with age he can be the more serious older and even more cranky Batman in an almost Batman Beyond era but with Batman Animated Series style.

    I definately think the Bane though realistic in the last movie didn’t feature the muscles or voice you’d expect from Bane.

    I’m familiar with the various generations of TV, Movies, games, and comic books of Batman, and the creator of Batman believed that the 1980′s Batman fit his exact idea of the environment, the buildings and objects in it, and especially vehicles as to what his thoughts on how he wanted Batman’s environment to be like and he chose Keaton as best representing his charactor.

    The armor of the suit and design of the suit is meant to make enemies afraid, the muscles shown in the suit aren’t reflective of soley the charactors physical fitness level, just because the suit has muscles doesn’t mean the man under it is like that, nor does the suit being like a bat mean that the suit is a bat.

  • Knight

    They’ve already had live action versions of the shows, one location such as at theme park played at Six Flags over Texas alongside the Batman and Superman rides.

  • Justin Mascareno

    Keaton was the best Movie Batman, he brought the character to life. He showed the dark creepy side of Batman that’s lost in the movies today, and was non existent in the Adam West Series that made Batman look like a joke. Batman is the coolest non powered superhero in the comic world and Keaton played that role the best and I would love to see Keaton pic up the cape and cowl once again and show them how Batman’s suppose to be played.

  • Person

    Seriously if people would go back and watch it, nothing was good about that movie except the concept of the Batmobile. Everyone was wrongly cast too.

  • Thistlegeist

    First one was amazing on so many levels. People easily forget how groundbreaking that film was, right down to Elfman’s score. I have not heard a superhero theme as memorable since.

  • Jason Googins

    Me too, I think he was the best batman…